tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post6813765855203352777..comments2024-03-27T11:04:13.597-04:00Comments on Modern House Plans by Gregory La Vardera Architect: PreFab is Dead - Long live MMC and OSMlavarderahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07241073948874188058noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-7668920022721879832010-11-24T05:08:49.982-05:002010-11-24T05:08:49.982-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Double Glazing Coventryhttp://www.doubleglazingcoventry.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-10481994613613153252010-11-03T23:53:27.312-04:002010-11-03T23:53:27.312-04:00Here are the common insulation materials used in S...Here are the common insulation materials used in Sweden.<br /><br />http://www.beijerbygg.se/templates/BB_ProduktListing.aspx?id=7708<br /><br />wood fiber is a niche product being made at some plants in continental Europe. Paroc has extensive info on their website.<br /><br />http://www.stenull.paroc.se/produktdat/pdf_down/Energikloka_konstruktioner.pdf<br /><br />for a flier (in swedish)Stone Woolynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-58718892637533740972010-11-03T22:25:07.554-04:002010-11-03T22:25:07.554-04:00You may be right. I was thinking it looked more li...You may be right. I was thinking it looked more like Agepan Flex - just the color and texture. Stone wools I am familiar with have a lighter color, and are more consistent batt more like fiberglass.lavarderahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07241073948874188058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-3963716875265569992010-11-03T21:38:59.358-04:002010-11-03T21:38:59.358-04:00They are using insulation made from wood fiber and...They are using insulation made from wood fiber and its not toxic.<br /><br />hold on cowboy, this isn't eco land ... that is "stenull" ... "stone wool" made in Sweden by Paroc. The fibers are considered bio soluble.Stone Woolynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-15119698276935999832010-11-03T18:24:56.184-04:002010-11-03T18:24:56.184-04:00I liked how there were no ladders in the Swedish f...I liked how there were no ladders in the Swedish factory!<br /><br />These redneck american rubes are just walking OSHA case studies. Each of the tasks in the Swedish factory are almost effortless.<br /><br />The Americans are using stone age ideas by contrast. This is a culture that has lost the ability to innovate, "a good reputation is hard to loose" ... but we're doing our best.<br /><br />sigh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-41397603007744596862010-11-03T17:32:17.476-04:002010-11-03T17:32:17.476-04:00The plumbing is one of the interesting contrasts. ...The plumbing is one of the interesting contrasts. In the Amercian video you see the plumber sweating copper piping joints. In the Swedish video you see them pulling PEX piping through the panels and installing the compression fittings. How much time do you think that pulls out of the construction? Expensive labor immediately transformed into higher energy performance and more customer value.<br /><br />One of my other favorite comparisons was the highlight of how the ceiling was insulated in the American house. Good God, it looks like they used the dreggs of the insulation trimmings from the rest of the house. Meanwhile in Sweden you see them fitting full depth dense batts into the joist spaces. Notice that the workers are not even wearing gloves or dust masks. They are using insulation made from wood fiber and its not toxic.lavarderahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07241073948874188058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-10338900658838329272010-11-03T17:21:13.015-04:002010-11-03T17:21:13.015-04:00I can't comment right now ... I'm am too d...I can't comment right now ... I'm am too depressed finally someone has put side by side the tragedy of PreFab in America, with the rampant success of OSC and MMC in Sweden. <br /><br />You didn't mention that all the PEX tubing that was commercialized in Sweden and exported to the USA ... <br /><br />The Swedes build good shelter we build tax shelter ... <br /><br />Dude, where's my country?There isn't enough Prozac to make me feel good about thisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-5741949069984364392010-11-03T10:45:39.662-04:002010-11-03T10:45:39.662-04:00The jobs are certainly higher skill than laborers ...The jobs are certainly higher skill than laborers on a typical construction site. They are often interacting with complex fabrication machinery, as well as being counted on to maintain quality and provide feedback on how to improve the process. Its truely a Toyota like manufacturing process.<br /><br />I often wondered why our auto industry, flush with workers, and endowed with the know how to apply these lessons here, would not enter the housing market. Clearly Toyota and Panasonic and other large industrial concerns have done just that in Japan.<br /><br />It brings me back to the "just what the hell are we doing here" place, a place I don't like to be.lavarderahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07241073948874188058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-50653957747464614062010-11-03T10:37:27.279-04:002010-11-03T10:37:27.279-04:00I am struck watching the video what a satisfying j...I am struck watching the video what a satisfying job it must be to work in the Swedish building industry. The men and women in the prefab factory are skilled builders, even craftspeople, in spite of (or perhaps because of) the fact that the designs and processes are precision engineered, with machines doing what machines do best, leaving the specialized work for people. While the focus of this discussion is not creating jobs, I can't help noting that MMC provides a source of rewarding manufacturing jobs in a pleasant atmosphere--jobs that wouldn't be outsourced overseas. So the potential benefits of implementing MMC and OCM as practiced in Sweden are really stacking up--1) a Modern style house for anyone who wants one, 2) energy efficient houses for anyone in any design style, 3) efficient use of material resources, 4) increased market and profit for builders, 5) skilled manufacturing jobs, in America, making a vital commodity. Any chance of a Swedish manufacturer teaming up with a big U.S. builder--or an out of work auto exec--to take advantage of this incredible opportunity? I know, I'm a dreamer . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-62544793058562905942010-11-03T07:18:46.811-04:002010-11-03T07:18:46.811-04:00Yes, there is a need to distinguish MMC and OSM fr...Yes, there is a need to distinguish MMC and OSM from PreFab. Its because PreFab is too general a term, and it has come to be so broadly applied to efforts that actually incorporate very little in the way of off site work. As a result its come to mean little as a signifier of delivering the consumer greater value, and greater choice. There is great difference in their techniques and efficiency. And there is great difference in the performance and quality of the products that come out of the factories vs ours.<br /><br />As far as the use of Modern. Modern style houses are what I am concerned with, in as far as these OSM methods bring greater choice, or some choice of Modern style at all. Modern as used in MMC - Modern Methods of Construction refers to "current" or "state of the art" as far as manufacturing techniques. MMC has nothing to do with style. This is confusing, I'm sorry, but the two terms happen to overlap here.<br /><br />As far as our larger merchant builders offering none - you say none of what? They offer no houses in a Modern Style. Visit the web site for Toll Brothers. Look at their house offerings. This is what I mean. They offer no modern houses becuase it would not be profitable for them to do so, yet if their manufacturing system was like the Swedes, it would be no loess profitable, and in fact more profitable for them to serve this smaller area of demand for modern houses.<br /><br />All these pictures of Modern Swedish houses I am showing is not the sole output of the Swedish home builders. Their offerings are predominantly traditional. They even copy American traditional styles. But despite that traditional is more popular they still offer dozens of modern designs along side. My question is why do our builders only cater to the most popular taste in traditional?lavarderahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07241073948874188058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-20898460500162781262010-11-03T01:29:37.087-04:002010-11-03T01:29:37.087-04:00Yet here in the USA our larger merchant builders c...Yet here in the USA our larger merchant builders can offer none?<br /><br /><br />none of what??r s thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605854547657694111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-71801722931357295742010-11-03T01:28:42.550-04:002010-11-03T01:28:42.550-04:00The factory building practice in Sweden.....is tha...The factory building practice in Sweden.....is that not pre-fab??<br /><br />Swedish Catalog House designs that are Modern.........<br /><br />Modern is a name or a type?? are you the definer of Modern???r s thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605854547657694111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38363189.post-48508117566691010312010-11-03T01:12:00.936-04:002010-11-03T01:12:00.936-04:00seems like unnecessary splitting hairs. PRE-fabri...seems like unnecessary splitting hairs. PRE-fabricared, what does that mean??? sections fashioned pre-lot clearing??? doesnt sound any different. perhaps sweden does pre-fab or off site assembly better.r s thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04605854547657694111noreply@blogger.com